juppschmitz:

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hunenka:

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Lol I’d forgotten that scene where Sam says Dean only trusts himself. One of the things I’ve written about in the meta is how Sam sees Dean’s distrust of him in s4-5 as a betrayal. Dude has zero self awareness. He thinks he can lie extensively and still be trusted because he blames Dean for why he rationalized he had to lie in the first place.

Sam is a piece of work.

What I remember loving about that scene and the LIES RUIN RELATIONSHIPS scene is Jensen’s acting. By that point Dean is just so very over Sam’s hypocritical bullshit. The script never allows Dean to point it out but watch Deans reactions.

It’s really
fascinating, isn’t it? How the show keeps framing Dean’s hesitance to trust those
who have repeatedly lied to him, betrayed him, worked behind his back with the
enemy etc. as Dean being mean, irrational and holding grudges.

But really,
Dean’s caution, his tendency to only trust himself and not count on the help of
others makes perfect sense. He’s just learning from past
experiences and incorporating those bad experiences into his present approach.
Which is actually pretty smart and rational.

It would be
really cool if at some point, Sam and Cas realized that Dean’s “I got this, I’ll
handle this on my own” attitude isn’t there just because Dean is messed up, as
they seem to think. If they realized that it’s there because they messed up, they let Dean down, on numerous occasions. And that if they want Dean
to put his trust in them again, maybe the best way about it would be to stop
lying/going behind his back/doing things that are the opposite of what he asked
them to do, instead of demanding that he just forgive them instantly (or, even
worse, telling him how it’s actually all his
fault in the first place).

Yeaaah it’s something isn’t it? You could write a book about post s4 Sam and how his refusal to confront his own actions has driven him. Look at the church scene in 8.23 in that context and it looks very different from how the show clearly intended it. The amazing thing is that the show apparently sees it all from Sam’s POV.

The amazing thing is that the show apparently sees it all from Sam’s POV.

This is something I’ll never understand. Sam’s behaviour is so blatantly obvious once you look that bit closer. The writers WRITE it that way. Do they REALLY think they are painting Sam in a favourable light? Because if they wanted to do that, all they needed to do is actually WRITE him differently. NOT make him lie and go behind Dean’s back. NOT make him come across as though he feels morally superior to Dean whenever he blames Dean for making him – Sam – do the things he does. They COULD just MAKE Sam confront his own actions. And yet they never do. (Which makes me wonder how the writing staff actually DOES see Sam…)