A piece of shit? This is so frustrating because people expect such vastly different things from the show that of course it lets them down.
The announcement for season 12 was pretty late. If you look at the way the second half of the season was set up it’s very likely this season could/should have been the last. Which is why some people believe that the reason so many writers left is because they had already prepared themselves to look for new jobs.
Imagine what a fucking mess it was to figure out how to keep the story going when you’re not sure if you’re going to have to write the series finale or you’ll have to stretch it out so that it leaves the door open for the next season.
With Dabb coming in as showrunner they had to change gears because Carver’s story is ending but the show is going forward. It’s time for a reboot. That means they need to tie up end loose ends so that Season 12 is a fresh start. What’s so scandalous about having to talk to the showrunner to get a scene right? You’ve all heard the story about the whoopie cushion haven’t you? This is Dabb’s story now, it’s his turn to make his vision a reality, exactly the way he wants.
So many questions have been answered throughout the season, neatly getting rid of concerns from the fandom all season long and people still think that amounts to nothing? What more do you want?
Have you ever stopped to think that part of Castiel’s character development is that he doesn’t need answers from God anymore? That he’s found a real family he can lean on? He doesn’t need “a cosmic band-aid”. What he’s going through is deeper than that. His struggle stems from how he views himself (expendable) and the guilt he’s been shouldering from the very moment he rebelled against heaven. He needs to find worth in himself by himself. That’s what it’s all been leading up to.
I mean…I feel like Jared and Jensen and Misha have all pretty much told us that the finale is a piece of shit?? Why else would they say there’s too much content in it and that they had to call Dabb about it??? And then Jensen is saying “you forgive the show a lot” or whatever????? like omg. It sounds like it’s going to be a disaster. And then Jared was saying a bunch of shit got cut out.
Just. WHY do you spend all season doing nothing and then try to cram everything into 3 episodes? WHYYYY
“Um I think it might be kind of interesting to see Cas have to take the reigns and really fix a problem for everybody else because one of the things that has been happening for Castlel ,and I think it’s because of how the narrative unfolds on Supernatural, is that he is often almost always suffering from some disability or another, so somehow his powers are diminished or he is incapacitated in someway most of the time and that’s because the character could be so powerful that he could just solve all of the boys problems for them and the writers don’t want that to happen. But I think it would be nice to have a little arc where Cas was, Cas had to handle fixing things for the boys for a while that might be fun to play with sort of giving him his full power back for a little while when he’s not possessed by leviathans or lucifer or crazy or some other problem like that.”
In the season finale we’re going to see Cas finally in a position where he’s able to see his true worth and be the one to save the day. Not because he’s sacrificing himself for the greater good (like Sam tried to with taking on the Mark or the way Dean tried when he decided to launch himself into space) but because he can be the one to save everyone. Not out of duty but out of loyalty and love.
wtf? “what’s so scandalous about talking to a showrunner about getting a scene right” ? that’s not what they said. they said that all of them were on the phone to Dabb talking about “story points”. That isn’t the same as Misha having trouble with one tiny scene about a whoopie cushion. are you high?
So many questions have been answered throughout the season, neatly getting rid of concerns from the fandom all season long and people still think that amounts to nothing? What more do you want?
literally what the hell are you talking about? what questions have been answered? what concerns have been neatly gotten rid of?
He doesn’t need “a cosmic band-aid”.
Oh, but Metatron, Dean, Sam and Lucifer all did? How convenient.
This is so frustrating because people expect such vastly different things from the show that of course it lets them down.
Um, no. I was not let down by finales in the past. I loved them. All the way up until Season 8 that is. They were all pretty damn good. And Season 9 finale was also ok as far as it went. 8 and 10, the finales where the winchesters were selfish assholes and Cas was left on his own with horrendous shit happening to him, no I did not enjoy that.
Imagine what a fucking mess it was to figure out how to keep the story going when you’re not sure if you’re going to have to write the series finale or you’ll have to stretch it out so that it leaves the door open for the next season.
Imagine what a fucking mess it is to have showrunners who don’t know how to write a TV show without massive amounts of fillers and no character development. We don’t have to imagine it, we can just watch the show for the past 2 seasons.
And misha was not talking about the finale when he said that. he was talking in general that he’s tired of them having Cas cursed, tortured, depressed, depowered and will never give him a break or let him be strong. That’s why he said he would like that to be an “arc” sometime in the future.
Have you ever stopped to think that part of Castiel’s character development is that he doesn’t need answers from God anymore? That he’s found a real family he can lean on?
Have you ever stopped to consider that you’re full of shit? lmao. Why are you reblogging a negative post and spewing a bunch of positive police crap all over it? Who the fuck says that Cas only does what he does out of duty and not out of loyalty and love???? Season 9′s final episodes were about Cas giving up an angel army to save Dean. Season 10 all he did was try to save Dean. Earlier THIS SEASON he took back control from Lucifer to save Dean in The Vessel.
Maybe I’ll reblog this after the finale airs and I can laugh.
I think the most ridiculous part about their reply (the entire thing is a joke) is this – “Have you ever stopped to think that part of Castiel’s character development is that he doesn’t need answers from God anymore? That he’s found a real family he can lean on?”
WTF? How can they even think that? Like have we SEEN Cas’ character developed like that? Have we seen him express that he is at peace with his father? Wasn’t it JUST in season 10 the 3 of them when out for beers to compare notes about their dads. Sam and Dean had some fond story about John and Cas had nothing to say about God. God who me he searched to find to help stop the Apocalypse. God who he begged for a sign to help against Raphael. His faith in his father never wavered yet he still doesn’t get to talk to him.
How can you say his character development is that doesn’t need answers anymore? Castiel has fought for and believed in Humanity for YEARS. And Metatron feeds one dog and suddenly it’s ok to have him plead on behave of humanity? To have HIM who wanted to wipe everyone out be the voice of people? To convince God to save mankind when Castiel is the only angel currently alive that has fought tooth and nail to save humanity?
Spoiled temper tantrum Lucifer gets peace with his father but obedient son Castiel gets nothing? In fact he suddenly no longer becomes God’s fav?
Dean Winchester gets to hash it out with God standing as a substitute for his OWN father but Cas doesn’t get the same opportunity?
Again if someone can show me exactly where Cas’ character development where he dies not speak to his father is coming from I’d like to see it. Actual canon text. Not pretzel positive meta.
He found a real family he can lean on? Yeah where is this real family? Sam and Dean? We aren’t shown that in the show. Sometimes I wish people would take off their meta glasses and watch the show like a casual fan. Seeing only what it actually shown on screen. Castiel does not have a family. The angels hate him and he cannot go home without being reprogrammed. Sam and Dean treat him like shit.
Dean that kicked him out of the bunker WITHOUT money and left him homeless. He had to sleep at a gas station and Dean mocked him for his job. I don’t care if Gadreel had said kick him out. He could have given him money, or the number of another hunter, or even send him to Jody. No he left his “family” homeless and broke.
When Cas was dying from stolen grace, Sam didn’t even give him a place to sleep in the bunker. He was DYING. In a disgusting old cabin. Where was his new new family he can lean on then? No 1 helped Cas recover his grace in season 10. Neither Sam nor Dean. He did that all on his own. Cad is very much alone in this show.
Even Robert Singer says Cas is HOMELESS. Yeah some newfamily he has.
Also it is incredibly stupid writing to paint yourself into a corner. A renewal should not leave you scrambling to make your story work for another season. You should understand your characters and show enough that you can see their continued lives and motivations. But Supernatural cannot can’t let go of their stupid formula of stupid MOTW eps and rush the finale with some random hashed plan every season.
in terms of his fighting style, Castiel is designed by heaven to be a killer. His fighting style is brutal, quick, and efficient. Disorient your opponent and kill them as quickly as possible.
Now, as a being, Castiel is capable of an intense amount of love, and he’s a very complex and layered character, but in a fight, he doesn’t hold back and will use any resources available to him to come out on top. Like, the choreography from this scene – the angel that Castiel is fighting has two swords, and a weaponless Cas manages to overpower his opponent and when he can’t reach his sword, he fucking hurls him out a window. By separating his opponent from both the swords, the other angel knew he didn’t have a chance of taking on Cas and fled the scene, rendering Cas the winner. He’s also used this tactic in 5×01. 5×18 and 6×20 are other fights where he’s able to dispatch his opponents with relative ease.
However, those were all fights where Castiel had the upper hand to begin with, or fights that were more or less equally matched. Castiel has also been in plenty of conflicts where his odds were not good. Castiel doesn’t particularly fear death; the saying ‘death before dishonor’ is really fitting for him. Even when he doesn’t have the upper hand in a conflict/confrontation, he’s always willing to put himself into the direct line of fire for the causes and people that he cares about. In 7×21, Hester is advancing on Dean and Castiel deliberately steps forward and draws her attention in a 180. We see this sort of behavior again and again – 5×03 and 7×23 being notable examples where Castiel’s chances of coming out of a fight alive are fairly low. In 4×16, his fight with Uriel also has a similar undertones.
what these types of fight scenes tell me about Cas: doing what he thinks is right is really important to him, even if it means death or injury – it’s everything to him. In these types of fight, Cas is willing to take the hits, if it means protecting the people he cares about, and if it means that his cause has a chance of prevailing over the cause of his enemies.
tl;dr his fight scenes tell me a lot and I get really emotional about them
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