Why the Dynamics between Dean, Cas, Sam and Jack don’t work.

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crowleygal:

The Dymanics of Dean, Cas, Sam and Jack and why it doesn’t work for me.

There was so much over the top melodrama it made soap opera writers cringe. Nothing felt organic or connected to what Team Free Will’s relationship with Jack is really like.

I can buy they care about Jack, but why out of no where do they see him as a son? I could buy Cas, maybe and or Sam and Dean seeing Jack as a little brother but “son” just feels so far out of left field. None of them really had that close a relationship with Jack.

Sam- I know the show likes to pretend it didn’t happen, but I have a pretty good memory and I remember Sam using Jack for his own purposes. He wanted to save Mary. Him initally helping, Jack wasn’t for Jack’s sake. He had an agenda. He apologized and maybe he started to actually care about Jack, but then we had an ep Jack wasn’t even in and the very next Jack took off because he killed the security guard. They had just caught up with him when he got trapped into the AU. This is when Sam started to get depressed last season and decided that everything was hopeless. Dean had to put aside his own feelings of depression to push Sam through this period. So its not like Sam was super duper gung ho to get to the AU to rescue Jack. When they finally did get to the AU he was killed. Jack was happy to see him, but its not like they really had meaningful interactions. Jack spent most of his time with Lucifer. Then this season Sam was away from the bunker most of the time, and when he was there he was too busy being chief and giving homework assignements, montioring body cam footage and check ins. So where and when did Sam actually come to view Jack as a son or really have any kind of meaningful bonding moments.

Cas- Again, the show wants to ignore the darker aspects of Jack that they introduced in s12. Jack brainwashed Cas. He refused to let Kelly make a choice. Cas was dead for the first 5 episodes. His one episode back was spent mostly with Dean. Then he was kidnapped and Jack went to the AU. After Dean was taken by Michael, Cas’s time was spent searching for Dean. I can see Cas being protective becasue of the promise he made Kelly, but until the show address the brain washing, its hard to know if Cas did that of his own free will. The show can ignore it all it wants. That doesn’t mean I have too. Cas had one meaningfu moment with Jack, assuring he was still important even without powers.

Dean- He had the most complex relationship with Jack of all. He, at first, saw Jack as a possible threat. And rightfully so because in a well written show that truly was exploring nature/nurture, his darkside should have been acknowledged. He saw Jack as responsbile for his mother and Cas. Is that fair to Jack, no, but grief is messy and Deans’ reaction was realistic for someone in his posistion. After Jack proved himself, Dean admitted he was wrong and apologized to Jack. Then two episodes later, Jack is gone. They catch up with him long enough for Jack to disappear. Dean’s focus in the AU was not letting Lucifer influence Jack. Then he was gone. He came back and spent most of the time in this room. He went on one hunt with Jack, then took him out for a bit to help him live. That could be a basis but over night?

Jack- His early relationship with both Sam and Dean was antagonstic. Sam was manipulative, and Dean was out right hostile and Cas was MIA. Things started to improve when Jack took off and then he got stuck in the AU. When he came back, other Sam and Dean really didnt’ have time for him, and in the one scene with Cas, he coldily declared, Dean doesn’t matter and didnt’ want to even attempt to save Dean. So where and when did he come to see any of Jack, Sam or Cas as his dads?

Sam and Dean have only ever been willing to make deals to bring back each other. Not Cas, not Mary, not John, not Bobby, not Charlie, not Ellen, not Jo, not Kevin, not Eileen or anyone they cared about. What makes Jack so special? No member of team free will had any real close relationship with Jack if we go by what’s been show on screen rathan then the tell. So why is Sam saying that not trying is like losing Jack all over again. They never tried to bring back any other member of their family?

Jack is a walking, talking definition of a Mary Sue.

All of this SO. MUCH!

Even though it seems like majority of the fandom is eating out of Jack’s hand, there is a part of the fandom that doesn’t care about him and then the part that outright doesn’t like him. For some reason Dabb (& co) can’t accept that. But they are not able to write an interesting new character, so what they do instead is they try to manipulate us in to liking Jack. So no matter who of the TFW is your favourite, now you “have to” like Jack, because your fave is his “daddy”. What they don’t seem to realise is that they’re making it WORSE! For all the reasons you mention, there is no reason for us to think of Jack as their son, so it all FEELS exactly like what it is, manipulation.