It’s so strange reading through your blog because everything you wrote speaks exactly my feelings toward Castiel. How is it possible that you like Cas and I like Jack but my dislike for Cas and your dislike for Jack sounds exactly alike???
Tbh, considering the (imo, just imo) manipulative writing in season 13 made Jack so much like a mini-Cas to endear him to the audience I am hardly surprised. For the record, I never really liked their way to woobify Cas – he’s my little murder angel, please respect that, writers.
In the end though, my surprisingly polite friend (and I mean “surprisingly polite” not as in “all people who don’t like Cas are impolite” but as in “Wait you are being nice even though we like different characters and we’re talking of this crazy-with-stanning-people fandom”, thank you for this) it’s a question of personal preference and interpretation. You do you, Imma do me
Tbh if you don’t mind, I could elaborate on this (i’m not anon but i actually have very similar feelings regarding new!cas).
I know to most people watching now, s6 and earlier are a distant memory, but at the time, those traits did NOT describe castiel. They were added courtesy of carber/dabb, because like it or not, fandom overwhelmingly loves this being-broken-made-him-kind caricature, and they can tell because fans keep yelling it on twitter. S4-6 would have been substantially different (and weaker) if that had been him from the start. I can tell you for sure he would never have retained my attention written that way from the start. Castiel is now unrecognizable. Now, i can’t really blame new watchers for feeling this new castiel is ‘more real’ but for myself? It was enough of a slap in the face and a near-total 180 on his characterization that i quit the show for years.
The fact that they modeled jack after this fake ooc caricature rather than what castiel was originally like says a lot about which they consider more relevant and what fandom gravitates to. It’s depressing, but people do prefer the soft woobie caricature to the original character with all his edges.
It never ceases to amaze me that people really think we like Cas for being naive and subservient to the Winchesters. Those are his bad qualities… they’re also Jack’s only qualities.
imo Cas is an interesting character because he’s complex. He doesn’t get to display complexities as much now because he’s forced into the same story season after season, but he did have them at one point. I can’t speak for you two, but I call myself a Cas fan because I’m still loyal to that. I may be frustrated with S10+ Cas, but I know that he has a lot of depth as a character even if they aren’t currently using it.
Jack, on the other hand, has never had depth. He’s written “like Cas,” but like S13 Cas, whom I do not like. Without the past seasons earning a place for Cas in my heart, I probably wouldn’t like him either. It’s way more confusing to me why people give up on Cas for the same things they like about Jack. Like these qualities always annoy me, but for you they are sometimes ok? That doesn’t make sense to me.
I hope that wasn’t too mean, I know you were being nice and I tried, too, but… I’m not as nice in general lol I tried, though.
I LIVE for season 6 Cas. I don’t get this pure cinnamon roll mentality that insists anyone you “stan” must be a perfect innocent.
Jack is not only boring but SHOULD BE creepy, and I can’t forgive the fact that he’s not supposed to be in the slightest.
Also, don’t worry. This whole thread has been wonderfully civil.
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